What to Look for When Choosing a Wi-Fi Router – Intego Mac Podcast Episode 371
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Kirk McElhearn
We discuss the new security fixes that were rolled out for most Apple devices. Why is Apple spending so much money to make TV shows that not many people are watching? Plus our pointers on buying a new Wi-Fi router.
- Don’t buy these tech products this Black Friday
- 8 essential tips for safe holiday shopping online
- Apple security releases
- Graykey iPhone hacking tool can ‘partially’ access iPhone 16 – but betas protect
- Apple TV+ spent $20B on original content. If only people actually watched.
- Apple TV+ will license its movies to other services to reduce losses, per report
- Apple’s huge stock buyback proves one thing: companies are lousy market timers
- Wi-Fi specifications for Apple devices
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Transcript of Intego Mac Podcast episode 371
Voice Over 0:00
This is the Intego Mac podcast—the voice of Mac security—for Thursday, November, 21 2024. This week’s Intego Mac podcast security headlines include info on new security fixes that were rolled out for most Apple devices. Why is Apple spending so much money to make TV shows that not so many people are watching? Plus our pointers on buying a new Wi Fi router. Now, here are the hosts of the Intego Mac Podcast. Veteran Mac journalist, Kirk McElhearn. And Intego’s. Chief Security Analyst, Josh Long.
Kirk McElhearn 0:42
Good morning. Josh, how are you today?
Josh Long 0:44
I’m doing well. How are you, Kirk?
Kirk McElhearn 0:46
I’m just fine. We are two thirds of the way through November, and we’re preparing for Black Friday. And in the second half of this episode, we’re going to do a deep dive into routers, which are something to look for on Black Friday. They’re often discounted. We’re going to discuss all the reasons why you might want to buy this router or that router, and which technologies are useful to have. We’ll also have some links in the show notes to previous articles we’ve had about which devices are unsafe to buy on Black Friday. You need to be really careful don’t buy an old iPhone. They can’t run the latest version of iOS, for example.
Josh Long 1:19
Exactly right. And also be careful about old Macs, old iPads, etc, because, again, older devices are not going to get the latest OS. That means that they’re not going to get the latest security updates, and so they may not be safe to use. Okay?
What security fixes were in Apple’s latest operating system updates?
Kirk McElhearn 1:32
So Apple released some updates to its operating systems, and you know, in recent months, we’ve had this increase in the number of vulnerabilities that have been in each of these series of updates, and it’s been dozens. And I think we had 69 or 96 whatever does this latest flurry of updates correct even more vulnerabilities.
Josh Long 1:51
Are you ready for this? Kirk, make sure you’re sitting down. (I’m ready.) Okay, yep. There are a grand total of two vulnerabilities that got patched now, and this these, it’s the same two vulnerabilities for (Didn’t mean to say 200?) No, no, it’s actually just two, two. But this is important, though, because these are actively exploited vulnerabilities. I noticed, by the way, that Apple went back to using the word actively. We kind of noticed that for a little while they got they dropped that word, and we’re just saying exploited vulnerabilities. Well, they’re back to saying actively exploited, but these vulnerabilities were used in presumably targeted attacks. They don’t explicitly say that, but they say that they are aware of a report that this issue, these two vulnerabilities, may have been actively exploited on Intel Based Mac systems. So that’s very specific. So that’s why I’m presuming that these were probably used in targeted attacks, probably a nation state level threat actor against a particular organization or individuals who knew that they were using Intel based Macs, and so they highly targeted this attack to them. However, this patch is available for newer Macs as well. So even if you’ve got an M series Mac and one M2 m3 or even the new m4 Max, you can still get this security update, because these vulnerabilities apply to your system as well. They also apply to iPhones, iPads, and even Apple vision Pro. Now another thing to point out here is that Apple did not release patches for watch OS or TV OS, and they use the same underlying technology. One of these vulnerabilities is in WebKit, and the other one is JavaScript core. So these are both like browser related technologies. You don’t often think about using a browser on your Apple Watch, but it does have the capability of being able to render web pages. Same thing with the TV OS. You don’t really ever there’s no, like, Safari app for Apple TV.
Kirk McElhearn 3:57
TV OS is all WebKit.
Josh Long 4:00
Well, that’s the thing is like, because WebKit is such an important underlying technology in these operating systems, WebKit exists in all of them. So it’s a little surprising that we didn’t get watchOS or tvOS updates. I presume that these two vulnerabilities are going to be patched in some future update for watchOS and tvOS as well.
Kirk McElhearn 4:19
I’d really be interested in finding out about that Intel Mac that was targeted because they said a report. But they always say just a report, right? But Intel Mac, we’re talking a Mac that was released before late 2020 when the first M1 Max were released. Now some of them were still sold through 2021, 2022 even the Mac Mini was sold for a while. But Intel Max, we’re going back a ways.
Josh Long 4:41
Well, it is possible that we may find out more information about these vulnerabilities at some point and who was targeted, or at least get some hints about it, because both of these vulnerabilities were reported to Apple by members of Google’s threat analysis group, tag for short, and sometimes they do write up a blog post about things that they found in the wild.
Kirk McElhearn 5:00
That would be good to know. Okay, we’ve talked in the past about the gray phone tool, which can hack into iPhones, and it seems like it can’t really fully access iPhone 16 plus. Last week, we talked about how iPhones reboot themselves every couple of days, and someone came out with some information recently, saying that it’s 72 hours three days. So if law enforcement is using a gray key, they have 72 hours before the device reboots, but they can only partially access iPhone 16.
Josh Long 5:31
Right? And, you know, this is a cat and mouse game with any of these kind of tools that are designed to break into devices. You know, Apple is always going to try to stay ahead of the game, not because of law enforcement, not to try to prevent law enforcement, in particular, from breaking into devices, but to prevent hackers from being able to get into your device more easily, right? And so that’s really the intent behind locking these devices after 72 hours, and also the improvements that are actually continuing to be made in iOS 18, the current version of gray key, one of these law enforcement devices that’s designed to be able to break into iPhones, according to some information that’s that’s come out about these devices, supposedly they can gain full access to iPhone 11, meaning they have some specific way to break into that hardware, but they only have partial access to iPhone 12 through 16, and if you’re running the latest beta version of iOS 18, then they have no capability to break into those devices As of right now, meaning that once iOS 18.2 comes out for everybody, at least for some period of time, it looks like gray key is not going to be able to break into those devices at all.
Kirk McElhearn 6:49
That’s interesting. If you’re worried about someone getting into your device in you, you should run the betas. We tell people not to run betas on their devices because it’s a little bit risky. But here it actually protects you, because these are updated so frequently that the gray key team can’t keep up with them, right?
Josh Long 7:04
Well, that’s kind of the thing, yeah. And so presumably, what’s going on is that Apple has found some other vulnerability that is only being patched in iOS 18.2 and later. And so it hasn’t made it yet to the 18 point 1.1. Probably, I assume that these are different vulnerabilities that maybe great key was using, and that’s why the latest betas aren’t, aren’t compatible with gray key anymore. So I don’t recommend that people upgrade to 18.2 just yet, because, you know, maybe if you want to update to the release candidate, like we talked about with the point one releases, where we pretty much know that this is the final, or near final version of it, and you want to have the latest like Apple intelligence features or something, okay, maybe install the release candidate. But I do recommend being very cautious before upgrading to beta versions on your main devices.
Kirk McElhearn 7:59
But if you do upgrade to the dot two releases, you get all these fun image tools. I sent Josh A HAPPY BUNNY image and messages yesterday because he said something that was good, and I said, and I typed into message HAPPY BUNNY, and it came up with this wonderful picture. I’m not going to do this often, Josh, don’t worry. I was, I was just testing this to seriously understand how it works.
Josh Long 8:20
And make sure you listen to it was last week’s episode, right? I think it was, (yeah), make sure you listen to last week’s episode for our deep dive into this technology that’s coming in the next version of iOS and Mac OS.
Apple is reported to have spent $20 billion on original content for Apple TV
Kirk McElhearn 8:31
Okay, there’s been some discussion recently about Apple TV. Plus, you ever heard of this? I think they launched four years ago, I’m not sure, to great fanfare, where Tim Cook was on stage with all these famous actors and directors talking about how Apple is going to do all these wonderful things. And there were some discussions last week about Apple TV, plus licensing its movies to other services to reduce losses. And then just a couple days ago, it turns out that Apple has spent $20 billion on original content, and they have a market share in video streaming of 0.3% it almost seems ridiculous to see numbers like that, 0.3% 20 billion. Often, before we start recording, we tend to talk about like movies and TV series that we like, because we’re both into this sort of stuff. I remember years ago when on social media, people would say you got to watch this series right for a while. It was succession. Before that. It was go back. It was lost, etc, etc. I don’t see anyone talking about any Apple TV Plus series or movie at all. I don’t see any buzz among the people I know who are Apple users who would be expected to talk about it. Now, the funny thing is that the Apple car that Apple has abandoned. Reportedly, they spent $2 billion on it, and that was a failure, and they spent $20 billion on movies and TV series that hardly anyone’s watching, and they’ve got a couple of good things. Severance is interesting, if you like that. I watched bad monkey recently. It’s a series from a novel by Carl. Hyacinth, who I like the sort of goofy crime novels. It was quite good, but it’s like you go to Apple TV plus, and it’s not like the Netflix shuffle, where you can always spend three hours looking at trailers before you decide to not watch anything. There’s very little on Apple. One thing that’s interesting to point out, I’m going to link to a story on market watch that talks about Apple’s stock buyback, and since 2012 they spent $800 billion buying back their shares, Apple clearly has a lot of money. It sounds like Apple TV, plus was a bit of a vanity project, and they can’t stop it now, can they? They’re like, stuck into this thing where they would lose prestige if they turned it off. And they’ve got a lot of subscribers, particularly with the Apple One subscription, where it’s bundled.
Josh Long 10:45
And I guess you know, Apple has been winning some awards, like they’ve gotten awards for Ted Lasso, and I know that’s supposedly really popular Apple TV. Plus, may not have a big market share, but at least they do have some series that people recognize, right that they’ve heard of, and probably a lot of people have have tried them out. Maybe part of the reason why that market share is low is because people kind of just binge watch these shows when they’ve got their free trial, when they get a new Apple device, and then they don’t renew them. Perhaps that’s part of the problem with Apple retaining its market share. But, you know, there, there is another report that just came out about Apple TV, plus, apparently planning on licensing its content to other services to potentially reduce some of these losses, and how much money that Apple has spent.
Kirk McElhearn 11:35
They can’t make back $20 billion licensing moving 20 billion (Exactly, yeah.) The thing is, it is prestige for Apple, right? They get to go to premieres, and some of these movies are in cinemas when they start out, so they can be eligible for Oscars. It is Apple trying to become a different company. And we’ve talked about this a lot in the past, how Apple needs a new product, and the new product is not going to be TV and movies. It’s not going to be a car. It’s not going to be a TV. There’s more rumors about an Apple TV coming out lately. They’ve got to do something. But are they just going to keep throwing money away? Because it would be they couldn’t stop doing this. Now, one advantage they would have is if they do license these movies to other services, every one of these movies has people using Apple devices in it. So it would be like, you know, 90 or 120 minute commercials for Apple devices, depending on the movie. But, yeah, they don’t really need that, do they?
Josh Long 12:28
No, but that’s an interesting point, I guess, because Apple in the past, has had marketing people who made those kind of back channel deals with TV series developers to make sure that Apple products got featured prominently. I guess they don’t need to do that as much anymore. I mean, a lot of people are just using iPhones in general. So I mean, like 50% of the population is using an iPhone. If they’re using a smartphone, it’s definitely not something that Apple has to worry quite as much about. Anyway, I feel like at this point and $20 billion is an awful lot of money to spend just to get like, a little bit of buzz here and there where they wouldn’t have previously.
Kirk McElhearn 13:07
Okay, we’re gonna take a break. When we come back, we’re gonna deep dive into Wi Fi routers. Should you buy Wi Fi 6? Should you buy Wi Fi 6E? Or should you buy Wi Fi 7?
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What advice do you have for buying a new Wi Fi router?
Kirk McElhearn 14:30
Okay, so this year for Black Friday, everyone’s going to buy a Wi Fi router, right? No, not necessarily, but we wanted to take a deep dive into Wi Fi routers, because they are the gateway to your home network, and they’re very important, and it’s a device that’s often on sale on Black Friday. Now, if you haven’t updated your router in years, you might want to think about getting a new router. So we’re going to cover all of the things you should consider when getting a router. And Josh has some very strong opinions about certain things. We want to start out. Do you need one router, or do you need mesh WiFi? Now I have a large house, and I have a fairly large garden outside, where I like to sit outside, and I have a Netgear Orbi mesh WiFi system, which has one router and two satellites. So I have the router downstairs, a satellite upstairs, and another satellite in the room that looks out on the garden. When I say garden, it’s what Americans would call a backyard, right? And this allows me to have, I want to say, almost flawless internet throughout my home. I have gigabit fiber coming in, and I get about 400 megabits anywhere in the house. If I were to use just one router, a single device, and not a mesh system, there are a lot of things that wouldn’t work. For example, my ring doorbell on the back door has weak Wi Fi. It tells me in the ring app, if I only had one unit, then it would be even worse. I have a couple of cameras outside to monitor my cats and the cat flap, and they would be weak if I only had a single device. So it really depends on the size of your home and the type of devices you’re using, but mesh Wi Fi is, I want to say it’s really easy to use. It’s almost plug and play now, isn’t it?
Josh Long 16:08
Yeah, it’s pretty simple to set up a mesh network, and most of the time they kind of walk you through the process pretty well. I remember back in the day when you would buy a Wi Fi router, and it was pretty complex to do the initial setup. And I feel like for the most part, that’s not so much the case anymore. Like they usually come with an app, they usually kind of walk you through the process and hold your hand a bit, and it’s, it’s definitely a lot easier, including even if you’re setting up multiple units, they’ll, they’ll kind of help you get the first one set up, and then you can set up the satellite units. I also have a gigabit fiber uplink as well, and they also have three units in my house. We’re using different mesh network systems. I’m using one from Asus, and you’re using the is it the Orbi?
Kirk McElhearn 16:54
The Netgear, Orbi. Okay, so talk about setup. I remember the first Apple Airport device that I bought, the gray flying saucer model, and there was a piece of paper I was living in France at the time. There was a piece of paper in the box that I had to make a declaration to the Ministry of Defense that I was using Wi Fi. This didn’t last too long, but it was really scary back then. And when you think about the difference in speed, in the number of devices that can connect and all that, it’s really useful now, if you have a family, I would say, Get mesh so that the kids have a satellite near them, and they’re not, you know, complaining about the Wi Fi is too slow in my room. I think it’ll make for a much, you know, more peaceful family atmosphere.
Josh Long 17:34
Yeah. Again, it definitely does depend on the size of your home. If you if you live in a very small home, if you live in an apartment, you may not necessarily need a mesh system. If you’ve got like, a relatively central location, especially in your home, where you can set up your one router, it might reach just fine to your entire home. So that’s worth considering. It does depend a lot on this, on the size of your home.
Kirk McElhearn 18:00
Okay, so one thing to consider about a Wi Fi router is what your internet speed is. Now Josh and I both have gigabit fiber, and my router has gigabit Ethernet, but I could get 1.6 gigabit fiber, and in that case, my router wouldn’t use all that data, so I would have to upgrade to be able to take advantage of that data. Now I think the normal speeds you see are either one gigabit or two and a half gigabits. Professional routers might do 10 gigabits. None of my devices can do more than a gigabit. I just have a brand new m4 iMac, and it’s limited to Gigabit Ethernet. But the difference is that if this is going into your router and your router serving it to multiple devices, you want to make sure that you can take advantage of all that speed that you’re getting through your fiber.
Josh Long 18:43
Right now, the one thing that you need to look at here is the uplink port. Again, this really only applies if you have fiber that goes over a gigabit available in your area, which I imagine probably not too many people listening necessarily do. Supposedly, I can get like, seven gig in my area, but that’s going to, of course, require specialized equipment that the company will will have to require me to rent from them, but I can also get two gigabit and now with that, I could actually go with one of these typical like consumer Wi Fi routers or Wi Fi mesh systems, which often do have an option for a 2.5 gigabit per second uplink like Kirk was talking about there. So do I need 2.5 gigs on all the ports like for the rest of my home? No, not at all. It’s just the uplink port that really makes the difference here, because for the most part, you’re probably using Wi Fi on almost every device in your home, honestly, at this point, even if you have a network drop, like if you if you’ve got your home like wired so you’ve got Ethernet all throughout your house, it’s probably, at least in a lot of cases, going to be faster to use Wi Fi anyway, because Wi Fi is capable of much higher than one gigabit per second. Speeds, as long as you’re, you know, relatively close to your router, and you’ve got a fast enough, new enough Wi Fi standard, which, you know, the past many, many years, we’ve been a lot faster than one gigabit per second.
Kirk McElhearn 20:12
So Wi Fi standard, that’s the big question. Do you get Wi Fi 6E or do you get Wi Fi 7? Or do you go even slower with Wi Fi 6? What do you need? I want to say, most people don’t really need anything. They just get what they get. If you want to stream. I remember when Apple started streaming 4k movies on the Apple TV, they said that you need a minimum of 25 megabits per second to the Apple TV. Now you could have say, 500 megabits coming in on your internet, but if your Wi Fi is slow, you’re only going to get, say, 50 to your Apple TV. I’d want to have more headroom than that. As I said, I get about 400 megabits anywhere in my house with my system. I’d want to have at least 100 to be able to stream video. If you do have, again, multiple kids in the family, all of whom are streaming 4k movies. It’s more than the sum of the stream. So if you have four people streaming 4k movies, it’s more than 100 megabits per second. You need, you need a whole bunch of headroom. But there’s a big difference between Wi Fi 6E and Wi Fi 7, and that’s the cost. I mean, we’ve been looking at some of these devices, Wi Fi 7, if I’m in the UK, so I’m looking at prices for mesh WiFi systems, where you get a base station and a satellite, we’re talking between 800 and 1000 pounds. My current system cost me, I want to say 250 pounds when I bought it two years ago. There’s a big difference in price, right?
Josh Long 21:33
And a big part of that is just because these are the latest devices, typically that are Wi Fi 7, and also, because it’s the latest standard, they feel like they can charge more, because people are going to look at the just the number and go, Oh, well, seven, that’s better than 6e. Right? I assume, because you know that seven is bigger than six, so maybe I need to get the newest one. You don’t necessarily need to get Wi Fi 7. Now, Kirk and I have kind of gone back and forth a couple of times on the show talking about, do you really need 6e or do you need seven? And you know, in terms of what seven will offer you, you probably don’t really need it right now. Well, first of all, I should say that although the Wi Fi alliance has been certifying devices as Wi Fi 7 since February of this year, they have not adopted the standard. They’re expected to do that by the end of this year, but basically, Wi Fi 7 exists even though they haven’t officially adopted it yet.
Kirk McElhearn 22:34
Okay, so I want to ask you, Josh, how many devices do you have that support Wi Fi 7?
Josh Long 22:38
I have one device, and that’s, that’s my new iPhone that I just bought.
Kirk McElhearn 22:44
Same here, yeah, even, even my M1 iMac is only Wi Fi 6E.
Josh Long 22:48
That’s right. In fact, if you look at Apple actually as a chart showing what Wi Fi you can get on what Apple devices. And right now, the only Apple devices that you can get that are Wi Fi 7 compatible are the most recent iPhone 16 models. So if you have anything other than that, any other Apple devices at all, you’re not going to be able to get better than Wi Fi 6E.
Kirk McElhearn 23:13
Okay, so assuming, as you told me many times, you want to future proof your system and get Wi Fi 7, what other advantages does Wi Fi 7 offer over Wi Fi 6c it uses different frequencies, it has a higher bandwidth. But is there anything else ?
Josh Long 23:27
So the theoretical Max throughput that you can get, depending on the number of antennas that you have and all that kind of stuff, is much higher with Wi Fi 7. But again, that that only applies to limited circumstances. In terms of range, it’s about the same really. There’s not really much difference there between 6e and seven. And actually 6e is capable of six gigahertz there’s a little bit of a difference in the specifications. So Wi Fi 7 is a little bit more capable, but 6e actually does operate on that six gigahertz band. Again, we’re getting a little technical here Wi Fi straight. Wi Fi 6 doesn’t even have that as an option. The reason, the really, the main reason why I suggest to people that you might want to consider getting Wi Fi 7, besides just future proofing and the fact that future Apple devices will include Wi Fi 7, the other reason is that Wi Fi 7 routers are, generally speaking, the most recent versions of the hardware. So if you are getting something that says it’s Wi Fi 6E then maybe it came out a couple of years ago. You don’t know. And that’s the thing, unless you really dig into like when exactly this model first shipped, which may not be easy to find out. The easiest way to just sort of know that you’re getting recent hardware is to get something that is Wi Fi 7. And why do you care about recent hardware or not? Well, that gets us into the kind of the next topic, which is device security. I want to. Make sure that whatever hardware I’m getting I’m gonna be able to get firmware updates for at least a couple of years down the road, because I don’t wanna have to, like, buy new routers in like, two years from now, like, I’d like to be able to keep it at least a few years down the road, and I don’t know if they’re gonna continue releasing firmware updates that long. The more recent my router is, the longer I can likely get firmware updates for it, and that’s one of the reasons why I recommend considering getting Wi Fi 7 if you can. It does cost a little bit more, but maybe it’s worth it, because you’ll get to keep it a little longer.
Kirk McElhearn 25:38
You found one router that not only does automatic firmware updates, which is actually pretty rare for routers, but uses Open Source firmware.
Josh Long 25:46
That’s right, not a lot of brands advertise that they will do automatic firmware updates. So this is a big plus, and specifically with the Linksys Velop pro seven. So this is their latest model. It does have the 2.5 gigabit uplink port, if that matters to you, if you’re if you have more than one gigabit per second available to you, it does the automatic firmware updates. And they also say, when you dig in on their website, they’ll tell you that you can manually update your firmware as well through open WRT. Now, open WRT is firmware that is maintained by a community that’s a public community. So they’ve been making firmware for a variety of router models for many, many years. And so this is a really big advantage. Now this is a little bit geeky, but if you want to know that you’re gonna get updates for as long as possible into the future. It’s a great idea to get a brand that comes with open WRT by default, as the Linksys develop pro seven does. So it’s got the seven capabilities. It starts at a pretty decent price. If you get one unit for your home, it’s $250 compare that to the 6e version of the product, and which is 150 so you’re paying more, but maybe it’s worth it. And again, the 6e only has a one gigabit uplink, so that may be the determining factor for you. But if you want the latest standard and open WRT, the Velop pro seven from Linksys is a pretty good price. Now, if you buy a three pack of them, it’s going to cost you a little bit more, unless there’s a Black Friday sale. As of right now, it costs $610 for a three pack, which is that’s pretty pricey.
Kirk McElhearn 27:37
That’s a lot of money. Okay, so there are four variables here, whether or not you get a mesh system or a single router, what your internet speed is, whether or not you need a 2.5 gigabit uplink or not, the Wi Fi 60 versus seven question, Which do you want to get the fastest router for your iPhone and you don’t care about the rest of your devices that can’t use it, and the firmware updates and the longevity of open source firmware with open WRT. So do check Black Friday deals? I bet I know that Apple is going to be discounting their Eero routers. I’m not sure whether Eero has Wi Fi 7 or not, but it’s an Amazon owned brand, and there will be others on sale. This is a good time if you haven’t updated your router in years, particularly if you have a lot of devices in your home. A lot of smart home devices use your router. So you know it’s it’s different from when you had a Mac and a laptop and an iPad. If you have smart home devices and light bulbs and cameras and all that, you have a lot of devices that need better Wi Fi. So Black Friday, look for routers.
Josh Long 28:36
Eero does have a three pack that’s Wi Fi 7 capable for $1,300 so it’s it’s pretty pricey.
Kirk McElhearn 28:44
All right, that’s enough for this week until next week. Josh, stay secure.
Josh Long 28:46
All right, stay secure.
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