Apple beta software changes, authenticator blues, and RIP SuperDrive – Intego Mac Podcast Episode 356

Posted on August 9th, 2024 by Kirk McElhearn

Apple releases updates to its beta software, including two versions of macOS Sequoia. Upcoming changes to Gatekeeper security will make it more difficult to run third-party software that hasn’t been approved by Apple. A bug in Microsoft Authenticator, the two-factor authenticating tool, locks users out of accounts. And Apple sells out of a popular piece of hardware.

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Transcript of Intego Mac Podcast episode 356

Voice Over 0:00
This is the Intego Mac Podcast—the voice of Mac security—for Thursday, August 8, 2024.

This week’s Intego Mac Podcast headlines include: Apple releases updates to its beta software, including two versions of macOS Sequoia. What’s up with that? Upcoming changes to Gatekeeper security will make it more difficult to run third party software that hasn’t been approved by Apple. A bug in Microsoft Authenticator, the two-factor authenticating tool, locks users out of accounts. And Apple sells out of a popular piece of hardware. Now here are the hosts of the Intego Mac Podcast: veteran Mac journalist Kirk McElhearn, and Intego’s Chief Security Analyst, Josh Long.

Kirk McElhearn 0:51
Good morning. Josh, how are you today?

Josh Long 0:53
I’m doing well. How are you, Kirk,

Kirk McElhearn 0:55
I’m doing just fine. You know, we are four weeks away, or a month away from Apple introducing the new iPhone, at least that’s my prediction. I think they’re going to introduce it on Tuesday, September 10, because the previous week is Labor Day. And historically, they don’t introduce an iPhone the day after Labor Day. They tend to wait until the following week, is what they did last year. So we’re only about four weeks away.

Josh Long 1:19
Yeah, isn’t there a tradition about that, don’t release a new iPhone until after Labor Day, something like that.

Why are there two macOS Sequoia betas?

Kirk McElhearn 1:24
I think it’s just good marketing, because when people come off a long holiday, they are not ready to be spending more money. Because in the US, at least Labor Day, people they travel, they have barbecues, they go to the beach. It’s the last time. And then if they see a new iPhone the day after, they might think more about how much it costs, because they’ve just spent money over the weekend. Kind of okay, so Apple has released some updates to its operating system betas. We’re going to talk about the macOS beta. Initially, Apple’s done something strange. What was it? A week or 10 days ago, they released a dot one series of betas. So iOS 18.1, macOS 15.1, Sequoia, etc. So this is the version that won’t be the one that comes out in early September, but probably sometime in October, which will contain the Apple intelligence features. So right now we have two betas streams. I guess you could call them that when you’re updating your device, you can update to the dot zero or the dot one. So there are a number of features that just came out in the update to the dot zero betas. So in macOS Sequoia, Apple has removed what was previously a control click or a right click option to open an application without it being scanned by Gatekeeper. Gatekeeper is the setting that you turn on to say that you can only use apps from the Mac App Store, or only use apps from the Mac App Store and identify developers. So when you bypass that, you can use apps that anyone’s made. You can use an app that you’ve made yourself, right otherwise your Mac will block it. You used to be able to hold down the Control key, click on an application and select open, or you could right click. And we were talking before the show, Josh says no one right clicks. And I held up my mouse that has two buttons because I’m using a Logitech mouse. But it’s true that I believe in a trackpad, it’s a double finger click or a secondary click, whatever. Anyway, they’ve changed this. And Gatekeeper is actually it’s a good thing in many ways, because it prevents some malware from opening if malware is not notarized, which means that Apple’s kind of verified it, but a lot of malware is notarized. So is this just another annoyance, or is this a real security feature?

Apple’s Gatekeeper will be more strict in the future

Josh Long 3:31
Well, that’s the real question. So I think that this is going to probably protect people from the kind of traditional run of the mill Trojan horses, right? Most of the Trojan horses that we see are on a disk image that has like they very often will have a little like background panel that it’s just a graphic that loads in the background of this disk image that’ll say something like right click and click Open to run this app or something like that. They kind of prompt you to do something to take that particular action, because they didn’t want to get their app signed and Notarized. So therefore, they’re trying to get the user to work around Gatekeeper, but they prompt them on exactly how to do that. So what’s actually going to happen now is that, starting with macOS Sequoia, evidently, based on this new beta, it looks like what’s going to happen instead is that there’s no more control click and open option for these unsigned or unauthorized apps. Now they’re going to have to go into System Settings and approve it from there. So it’s a whole extra step that’s a little bit more complicated to explain in the background of a Trojan horse disk image, right?

Weekly permission prompts will appear when using apps supporting screenshot and screen recording

Kirk McElhearn 4:48
So you can still open a third party app, but it will require several steps to do it. And I guess this is a good thing, as you say. You know, people download a disk image, they don’t know what’s on it, and then this might make the. Think twice about running an app, because the dialog that displays does say something that this app could contain malware. It says something like that, or we weren’t able to check if it contains malware. It is a slightly scary thing. So the other new feature, and this is a little bit confusing, we’re going to link to 9 to 5 Mac, and their article says macOS Sequoia adds weekly permission prompt for screenshot and screen recording apps, there are a lot of utilities that need permissions to record your screen. For example, Zoom or Skype, if you’re going to share the screen, then they need permission, right? But even something like Bartender, which arranges menu items in the bar, or moon, which is a window manager or acorn, which is a graphics app that allows you to take screenshots within that app, they need this screen recording setting as well, and this is in the privacy and security settings in the settings app. Now what nine to five Mac shows in their article is a screenshot which is different than what we are seeing when we launch an app. So they’re seeing a dialog that says, Open System settings or continue to allow. And the screenshot that we’re seeing is allow for one week, or open system settings. Now what I’ve been seeing on social media is, remember, this is the beta people complaining that they’re getting this repeatedly, not just every week, but sometimes daily, for certain types of apps. Now, the problem here is, let’s say there’s an app that you use a lot, so I use acorn to edit screenshots, and it does have a screenshot facility, by the way, if you need to take a layered screenshot where each item on your screen is in a different layer, acorn can do that. In order to do that, it needs the right to record the screen. If I have to do that every week, every time I watch the app, every I don’t know, every Monday morning I have to reset this setting. That’s kind of annoying, I think.

Josh Long 6:56
Right, this sounds a little bit like something that Microsoft introduced with Windows Vista. Many years ago, it was called UAC, User Account Control, and it was such a big deal. It was so annoying to people that Apple actually made, you know, hello, I’m a Mac. They made ads mocking the whole like permission prompt dialog and how just obnoxious it was for the PC that he had to have the security guard standing next to him at all times, and every single Mac is issued a salutation, cancel or allow. And so Apple made fun of this whole thing. And now it’s kind of like we’re getting to that point where there’s more and more things in place and hoops you’ve got to jump through if you want to do something that is potentially harmful. Now the reason for this, I think, is because of, mainly, I think, stalkerware, right? There’s a whole classification of software that is called stalkerware, where, basically, somebody can put software onto your computer that is usually hidden, like there’s no menu icon or anything for it. It just runs in the background, and it gives somebody the ability to monitor you, to track you, find out where you are, or do other things, including potentially record your screen. And so I think the idea behind this is to make it more difficult for a stalker who at one point, had physical access to your computer to be able to continue to track you in an ongoing way, right? And if, a week later, now, you all of a sudden get a prompt when you’re somewhere else and you’re not expecting it now, all of a sudden you realize, oh my gosh, like I’ve had screen recording software on my computer. I think that’s the idea behind this. It may also help prevent malware that might do the same thing that maybe somehow it got onto your machine. You didn’t really pay attention when you were installing it, and now a week later, you get a prompt it might make you a little bit concerned.

Kirk McElhearn 8:52
So when you say stalkers, these are generally abusive spouses and partners that might install software on a Mac. But what about your boss who’s recording what you do on your Mac. A lot of companies use software on computers to see what employees are doing. Will the employees face this alert once a week as well, or will an MDM solution, a mobile device management solution where a company can roll at settings to a whole fleet of Macs? Will that be able to override this setting? We don’t know that yet. If business surveillance software is going to prompt this alert. I think a lot of people will be surprised.

Josh Long 9:25
That’s a great point. Yeah, and hopefully most businesses are not actually screen recording their employees, because that’s a bit creepy.

What is Distraction Control?

Kirk McElhearn 9:32
Okay, so one more new feature, and this is in iOS 18. It is Distraction Control. And Distraction Control is it’s actually kind of cool. If you’re in Safari on your phone and you see something on the page you don’t like, like a pop up or an ad or something, you tap it and it goes poof. It actually goes poof and atomizes into little fragments that disappear off the screen. I think this is wonderful.

Josh Long 9:56
You know what it looks like? And someone had a great social media post. About this, it looks like the “Thanos snap”. You know how, like you suddenly disintegrate and you float off to the side, you know, like blown away by the wind. That’s what this looks like. And so somebody actually went to the Wikipedia article for Thanos and Thanos snapped Thanos.

Apple’s Super Drive CD/DVD drive is likely end-of-life

Kirk McElhearn 10:16
Speaking of Apple and hardware, we weren’t actually speaking of hardware, but it seems like Apple’s Super Drive is out of stock and unlikely to return. The Super Drive is the USB, CD and DVD drive that Apple released, I guess back in 2008 with the original MacBook Air, since it didn’t have an internal drive. And back then, all Macs had CD and DVD drives. And in the US, it’s listed as sold out, not currently unavailable. I checked in Apple UK and France. It’s still available. You can still buy it. You can get it tomorrow if you want. I don’t know if they’ve really killed this off, because, you know, there are still people that need CDs and DVDs that maybe they don’t use it a lot, but businesses send things on CDs and DVDs to other people. It’s not like you can’t buy 10,000 different types of CD, DVD drives from amazon for 30 bucks. But still, this does seem a product that Apple should have in their catalog.

Josh Long 11:09
At $79 when really the product hasn’t changed in what, 16 years. Yeah, basically, right. So it’s been around for a really long time, and I don’t really know that you really got like $79 worth of value out of it, considering that you could buy something that works really well, just as well, and costs half the price. You know, I don’t know. It’s a little weird, maybe because there are still some people who might use it. And so why discontinue it? But at some point, Apple had to discontinue this product.

Should I wait or buy the current iPad mini?

Kirk McElhearn 11:39
It’s got that sleek aluminum body, though, and all the stuff you get on Amazon is cheap plastic. Anyway. Speaking of Apple hardware, Mac rumors, is trying to get people to buy the iPad mini, which is selling on Amazon for $379.99 and I’m thinking, that’s not bad if you like the iPad mini, which I really like. But Josh is thinking, Oh man, this device is three years old. It’s not going to be supported for very long. Don’t buy an iPad mini. Go ahead, Josh, tell them.

Josh Long 12:07
Okay. Well, you know, if you really desperately need to get a small form factor iPad, okay, well, it’s probably not the worst thing in the world to buy an iPad mini right now. However, you should be aware that because this product is as old as it is, it’s fairly likely that sometime within the next, I don’t know, six to nine months like Apple’s probably going to release a brand new iPad mini model when it’s already as old as it is. You’ve got to consider, this is what I always consider, because I’m a security geek. But I always think, Okay, how many more years of support, or specifically, Apple operating system updates am I going to get for this particular device? And my recommendation is always, if you can buy an Apple product shortly after Apple releases it, that will maximize the number of years of support that you get for that device if you were to buy a year’s old iPhone or iPad. This is the processor wise, this is equivalent of an iPhone 13 and so, like, you know, we’re just about to get iPhone 16. I don’t really think this is the best time to be buying an iPhone 13 or iPad mini, sixth generation.

Kirk McElhearn 13:25
I’m old enough to remember in the fall of 2021 and people were speculating that the iPad mini was no longer going to be updated because the previous version had been released in March 2019 and the previous version before that in September 2015 so that’s like a three and a half year cycle, and that’s been going on for a while. If you need a small tablet, and it doesn’t have to be an Apple tablet, you can get an Amazon Fire tablet. They are Android, but you can get a lot of apps that you also use on an iPad or an iPhone. They’re pretty inexpensive. It’s not the same, but you’ll pay less than 100 bucks for a decent Amazon Fire tablet. Let’s take a break. When we come back, we’re going to talk about Google and talk about two factor authentication, and we’re going to talk about AI.

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Kirk McElhearn 15:26
TechRadar is talking about a company they issued a report that says macOS fares worse than Windows and Linux at preventing cyber attacks, except when you look at the report, it really doesn’t seem serious, does it, Josh?

Josh Long 15:38
Well, yeah, so I in I only bring this up in case people happen to see this headline and take it at face value that, oh my gosh, Mac is worse than Windows and Linux of preventing cyber attacks. Well, okay, so the methodology that they use in this report is not so great. In fact, they don’t really go into a lot of specifics at all, but one of the kind of telling things is that they talk about KeRanger ransomware that’s spelled K-E-R-A-N-G-E-R and this is really old ransomware, like we’re not really seeing new samples of this anymore. And so it’s kind of bizarre that they’re talking about years old ransomware for the Mac, and whether current Macs without antivirus software can prevent it? Well, I wouldn’t really expect them to. So the methodology that they’re using in this report is pretty sketchy, and so I wouldn’t really take this at face value at all.

Fake Loom app is actually Stealer malware

Kirk McElhearn 16:33
So we’ve been talking recently about Google ads that have been used to distribute Mac malware, and there’s one that distributed a fake version of an app called Loom, which is a screen recording app. It’s interesting. We’re just talking about the screen recording setting in coming up macOS Sequoia. And this is a macOS Stealer malware disguised as Loom. And according to the article, orchestrated by the notorious Crazy Evil group, how does one join the Crazy Evil group? I’d like to have a business card member of the Crazy Evil group.

Josh Long 17:01
Wow, that actually would be kind of a cool thing to have on a business card. It sounds pretty spicy. Anyway, we talk about this all the time. You gotta be careful when you google an app, because usually the first results are sponsored results, and they may look exactly like the legitimate app and the legitimate website. It might even say that it’s going to Loom.com in this case, but it’s not. It’s actually going to take you to a fake website. So you have to be super, super careful about this if you were to download some malware from one of these look alike sites. Intego software, of course, will protect you from this, so it’s not something you need to worry about, as long as you’re using Intego Virus Barrier.

Kirk McElhearn 17:43
It’s funny, because Google has such a dominant position in the marketplace that everyone goes there and the ads get abused. And it just turns out that Google has lost an antitrust suit brought by the Department of Justice in the US about their search dominance. Now this is not a lawsuit that means that Google’s going to be dismantled tomorrow. This is an ongoing process. We saw how long it took with the Microsoft case in the European Union that started, what, late 90s, early 2000s but it does point out that Google has 90% of search and that they can basically do what they want. Now, it’s funny at one point, Eddie Q of Apple was testifying in this trial, and I guess the judge, or whoever was asking, you know, what could Microsoft do to get Apple to put Microsoft’s Bing as the default search engine? And he said, there’s no price that Microsoft could ever offer. I don’t believe there’s a price in the world that Microsoft could offer us. They offered to give us Bing for free. They could give us the whole company, basically. I think Apple doesn’t like Bing. To be fair, Bing has improved. I don’t know when this trial was a couple years ago, right? But Bing has improved a lot. Microsoft has put a lot into search because of AI now and all that. But this does suggest that, for example, Google pays Apple about $20 billion a year for it to be the default search engine on Macs and iPhones and iPads. And of course, you can change this in the settings, but most people don’t, if they’re not allowed to do this, and Apple loses $20 billion well, they’d have to get some more change from the couch, because $20 billion is really a pittance to Apple when you look at their services revenue. But what would Apple do? Would they have to display a screen saying to people, you know, here’s the search engines you can choose from by default, which is what they’re doing in the European Union now for web browsers. So let’s say you see Google, Bing, duck, duck, go and a couple of others. 90% of people would choose Google anyway.

What’s the future of search on Mac devices?

Josh Long 19:35
Well, I kind of feel like Apple might just leave Google as the default without getting paid for it, because if they know that that’s the best search engine, they’re probably going to want to keep it as is now, another possibility here is that Apple could launch its own search engine. Of course, there have been rumors about Apple working on this in the background for a long time, just like Apple was working on the Apple car in the background for a long time. That never materialized into anything. But you know, the idea of an Apple search engine is something that pops up in the in the rumor mill every so often, and I don’t think it’s out of the question that Apple could release its own search engine at some point in the future. By the way, this is all down the road, right? Like, yes, Google lost in this particular case, but they’re going to appeal, and it’s probably going to be tied up in court for many more years before anyone actually has to make any changes. So I do expect that we’re not going to see anything change, at least as far as Apple and Google’s relationship in the near term.

Kirk McElhearn 20:38
Yeah, but the European Union seems to be a lot quicker than the US, and they could force a change over here, which could then have a domino effect. Just as you know what we’ve seen with the changes recently, it is interesting to see that Google has gotten dominant to that point. So there’s nothing wrong with being dominant in a marketplace, as long as you don’t abuse your dominant position. That’s what the Sherman Antitrust Act talks about. And Google has apparently, in many ways, abused their dominant position.

Josh Long 21:09
Yeah, for example. I mean, who else has $20 billion to spend to make sure that they’re locked in as the default search provider on a major platform like all of Apple devices, basically no other competitor has that kind of money throw around. Certainly no small companies have any option to do something like that. Maybe a Microsoft could. But other than Google and Microsoft, any small new players in the game have no chance.

Kirk McElhearn 21:35
I think it’s a shame, actually, that there is no opportunity for someone to come in with a new, improved search engine that’s not flooded with ads, that doesn’t have a search algorithm that changes every week, so websites change their SEO strategy to create content for the search engine instead of creating content for people who go to the website. But that’s a discussion for another day. Speaking of Google, you can use Chrome to send money to your favorite website. This doesn’t seem very safe to me. This like, seems like the kind of thing that someone could hijack and get your money. I mean, where does somebody come from to start with?

Google Chrome to offer payment service in the browser

Josh Long 22:06
Well, it’s kind of funny. So when I saw this headline, Google Chrome will let you send money to your favorite website, I thought, oh, okay, well, that’s kind of cool. Like, if you want to support especially smaller websites, maybe you want to support independent journalism, for example. Like, Great, that sounds really cool. But where I got concerned was when I kept reading, and later in the article, they say, as the feature allows payments to happen automatically without interaction by the user, and I’m like, Whoa, okay, alarm bells are going off now. It creates a seamless experience where those who wish to support a site can do so while consuming their content, yeah, but it’s that automatically, without interaction by the user, that’s really problematic. There are other browsers that have tried similar things. The brave browser has already had its basic attention token bat. It’s had that for a number of years. I don’t really see anybody using this or really talking about it all that much. But then again, it’s cryptocurrency, basically, and I don’t really pay much attention to that industry. But no, it seems like Google’s kind of trying to do its own version of this. But if it’s that without interaction by the user, that’s the thing that makes me pretty nervous about this.

Authy leaves the Mac desktop

Kirk McElhearn 23:17
Okay, two factor authentication. We talk about it all the time, it’s important to have two factor authentication on your important accounts, your email account, your Facebook, your Twitter, anything like that. And we’ve recommended a number of apps for two factor authentication. And some password managers like 1Password allow you to set up two factor authentication Apple’s iCloud key chain and the forthcoming Password app in this year’s operating systems, and for a long time, we’ve recommended Authy, A, U, T, H, Y, which is a good little app that you can use for your two factor authentication except Authy for desktop, no longer appears and has logged out all users. So if you set up a whole bunch of two factor authentication settings for your accounts on Windows, Mac, OS or Linux. Well, too bad.

Josh Long 24:02
Right now they do still have mobile apps, and apparently they announced back in January that they were going to be discontinuing the desktop versions of the Authy app. If you happen to have, you know, opened your apps, I guess you would have gotten an end of life notification, a little warning within the app, more likely than not. If you were using Authy, it was probably on your phone anyway, so this probably doesn’t affect too many people, but it could be potentially concerning. What if you were only using it on your desktop and you didn’t have it set up on your mobile phone? That could potentially be a problem for some people.

Kirk McElhearn 24:38
So you can use other apps, and as we’ve mentioned, there’s 1Password this iCloud Keychain. There’s also Microsoft authenticator, which, if you have a Microsoft account, I think you have to use Microsoft authenticator to apply two factor authentication on your Microsoft account. You can also add other accounts to it, like a password manager. And I just discovered something before the show. I use. Microsoft Edge as a browser for those sites that require Chrome, because it’s a chromium based browser, I use Safari for almost everything else, and I haven’t saved the passwords for those sites that I’ve used. And it turns out that all those passwords are stored in Microsoft authenticator. That choosing to sync across devices in Edge doesn’t just mean edge, it also includes Microsoft authenticator on my phone. Now this could also be that all the Microsoft apps can access the information for Microsoft apps on a phone, right? So they’re all identified as Microsoft. If you install a new Microsoft app and you already have one Microsoft app installed on an iPhone, it will prompt you to log in with the current logged in account of the other app. In other words, it’s shared resources for a developer, and this is not uncommon. Now. There’s a Microsoft authenticator bug that has existed since 2016 that’s eight years ago. It will overwrite accounts with the same username. So in other words, if you set up an account with the TheJoshMeister as your username, and then you create a new account for a totally different service with TheJoshMeister as the username, it could overwrite the account. Now, in my case, I only have about a dozen accounts, two of them have the same email address, and nothing was overwritten. But this is really important to be aware of. This authenticator app. If it’s not working for you, you may not be able to get into your bank or your email or whatever service you have protected with two factor authentication.

Josh Long 26:27
What’s kind of odd about this is that it’s not uncommon to have the same username across multiple websites. As you mentioned, I kind of use TheJoshMeister almost everywhere, or I use an email address and well, I’m going to reuse that same email address for logging into a lot of different sites. Chances are now I’m not using Microsoft authenticator for very many things. So in my case, I don’t see any conflicts, although maybe I wouldn’t have, because if I had tried to, maybe I would have accidentally overwritten things. I have a tendency to put things into multiple apps if they give me, for example, a QR code when I’m setting up my account on my computer, and I can scan that QR code with an app on my phone, I’ll actually use more than one app, just in case I ever have a problem with one of those apps, I can go to a different authenticator app and use that as my backup. So if you’re doing something like that, this probably won’t affect you. It may have been a problem at some point in the past, if you happen to use the same username across multiple things, and you’re pretty much only using Microsoft authenticator. Reportedly, in the past, Microsoft used to blame users, and then they started blaming the issuers, the bank or company or whatever that you’re trying to log into, and then only now are they finally kind of indicating that well, they might fix the issue.

Kirk McElhearn 27:49
It’s interesting that you’ll set up two-factor authentication with multiple apps. I guess it’s the same as recording your passwords in multiple apps. If you do that and you generate a code at the same time in two apps, will it be the same code? (Josh: Yeah, it’s the same code across every app.) Okay, so that’s a good tip. If you’re using two-factor authentication for really important accounts, save it in at least two apps, just in case one isn’t working.

Josh Long 28:13
Yeah. And I think that iCloud is a great place to do that. And then, like you mentioned, 1Password is a great app to use, or I use Google Authenticator is another one that I think is pretty reliable for me. One more quick note, there were a couple of apps in the App Store that got updated this week that contain some security fixes or new features. Vivaldi, if you happen to use the Vivaldi web browser on iOS or iPadOS, or the GitHub app for iPhone or iPad, both of those got some security updates this week, so make sure that you’re manually checking your app store for updates, because if you have automatic updates turned on, sometimes apps don’t get updated very quickly.

Kirk McElhearn 28:52
Okay, that’s enough for this week until next week. Josh, stay secure.

Josh Long 28:54
All right. Stay secure.

Voice Over 28:59
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About Kirk McElhearn

Kirk McElhearn writes about Apple products and more on his blog Kirkville. He is co-host of the Intego Mac Podcast, as well as several other podcasts, and is a regular contributor to The Mac Security Blog, TidBITS, and several other websites and publications. Kirk has written more than two dozen books, including Take Control books about Apple's media apps, Scrivener, and LaunchBar. Follow him on Twitter at @mcelhearn. View all posts by Kirk McElhearn →

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